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HT-Tjecken 13086096.5 - 09.07.2009 um
14:23
I was thinking the same thing. Making it so that a manager must either focus on training or
trading is a MAJOR mistake imo.
I think you should read it as you will not be able to use both to 100%.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.18 - 09.07.2009 um 14:37
and why do you want it to be like that? Why does it make the game (experience)
better?
In essence, this is a strategic game and as such it's good to have strategical choices. We
rather want it to be an actual strategic choice instead of a matter how many strategies you're able to use at the same time (for time or even ethical reasons).
Putting some kind of limit to things also makes it possible to balance different strategies/ways against each other.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.19 - 09.07.2009 um
14:39
Aren't you afraid that it might cause a distortion in balance in the game forcing people to
choose one over the other?
Afraid, no. But it's of course a challenge to balance things - but at the end of the day I'm
confident we'll have a more balanced game.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.23 - 09.07.2009 um
14:43
Tjecken maybe you can be more accurate and tell what not be able to use both to 100% stands
for?
You have to make a strategic choice of which strategy you want to use. To examplify the
principle: you could perhaps choose to use one way to 100% (but then you can't use any other strategy) or choose to use two ways to 50%.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.25 - 09.07.2009 um
14:45
ethical reasons
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What do ethical reasons mean in a game? Games have clear sets of rules and because of this
there's no need for ethics.
Managers' ethical reasons (I know many Hattrick managers refuse to trade at all for ethical
reasons).
HT-Tjecken 13086096.30 - 09.07.2009 um 14:48
But when does the "project manager" guy explain us when changes come up, with a draft
planning ?
From the editorial:
"So all changes related to this will not happen at once, they will be
introduced gradually during the coming years. During this journey we will naturally keep you updated on how our plans may affect your manager plans, but we will not hand out all specific details
about an improvement before the introduction."
HT-Tjecken 13086096.36 - 09.07.2009 um
14:51
That editorial was just brilliant. Utterly brilliant. Just hope you can live up to it.
:)
Thanks. About living up to it I can at least say I don't think we've never been more
motivated and excited than we are now.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.48 - 09.07.2009 um
14:56
To me it sounds like you have chosen to favour the users spending very little hours on HT
and are limiting the ones who love to spend time with HT.
No, we haven't "favored" any type of player for another. Hattrick will definitely still have
the same depth (we aim for more actually) for those who want to spend lots of time.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.53 - 09.07.2009 um
15:03
1.) When do we expect to have the new features in action, and when do we expect to have
more information about them ?
2.) Is there any chance that things might change without us knowing?
1.) I can't say more than what's mentioned in the editorial really. Please accept
that.
2.) If something affects managers long term plans, we will inform you (just like we did now
that you will not be able to train and trade to 100% at the same time). But specific details about something will not be announced prior to the introduction.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.59 - 09.07.2009 um
15:06
I want to ask something about the ME. Will it be the same after changes?
It would be pretty hard (and unnecessary) to change something if it should be the same.
;p
But yes, having multiplayed players will be beneficial.
Wird was an der Match-Engine geändert?
-> Ja, Multiskill-Spieler werden davon profitieren.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.64 - 09.07.2009 um 15:09
Do you have any idea of solving cup problem? Do you consider cup qualification during
unconventional days, utilization of match-free weekend before the first cup round or something else?
Lets just say we consider a lot of ideas. Nothing is set in stone yet.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.77 - 09.07.2009 um
15:21
Thanks for your answer but it does not meet my expectations :-)
Then your expectations are too high. ;p
I know you're curious, but we will not make the mistake of making promises which we later have to abandon for different reasons. From now on; when something is ready, then you'll be informed
about it. You now know our principles, and the first changes (or information about) related to this work will most likely appear at some point during the autumn.
I hope that's something even if I guess it doesn't meet your expectations (as it's no guarantee).
-> Vorraussichtlich werden im herbst die ersten Änderungen bezüglich
dieses Leitartikels
erscheinen.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.87 - 09.07.2009 um 15:28
Worse, you want to delete some usefull tools, like training intensity. You maybe don't
know, but a lot of managers use it to gain TS at the end of the season.
Fact is that the vast majority of managers set intensity once and then never touch it agains.
It's true there is a "hidden tool" to gain TS lowering training intensity, but it's not intuitive. Then perhaps such a tool could be placed elsewhere instead, to make it both an easy and
meaningful choice.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.104 - 09.07.2009 um
15:55
How fast paced will it continue - major changes every 2 seaons, faster/slower? Or is there
no plan yet and you still have only "fix the match engine" written on top of the whiteboard? ;P
You mean that being on the whiteboard is not enough? ;p
We have an internal long term plan, but as mentioned - from now on when something is ready we'll inform about it. Not before. Naturally, things that affect manager strategies will be communicated
(as it is in this editorial).
About the pace, as said in the editorial we will not change Hattrick overnight. I don't want to limit ourselves to "just one change every season" or so, it really depends on which changes we're
talking about. There should not be ME changes every season for example, just as there will not be club management changes every season. There should be a good mix, and even if the pace may go up
a little compared to last year for example (because we have many important things on the agenda, more than these last years when we've had another focus) I think many will not notice a that much
of pace change at all.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.108 - 09.07.2009 um
15:57
And has there also been any thought on the timeframe for which you make a choice, in
different words, can you alter your choice afterwards or is it fixed for HT-life.
You should be able to change your strategy choice. We don't want dead ends in the game, and
making it fixed would make it pretty much a dead end.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.118 - 09.07.2009 um
16:09
Is that editorial about the news you wanted to give us last week or have you changed the
theme of that editorial because the projects you initially wanted to speak were not really ready to be released yet ?
Nope, this is what I intended to write. This is our view on Hattrick, and even if I can
understand that some of you would like more details out of curiosity (noting wrong with that) that was not the intention of this editorial. We intended to give you our view on Hattrick in the big
picture and our principles for taking the game forwards, not a detailed plan. I actually also said that in last week's
editorial.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.120 - 09.07.2009 um
16:18
Sorry I know that is reading an awful lot between the lines
Indeed reading an awful lot between the lines, actually to a degree which makes it unhealthy.
:)
No, we have no plans to "control" the transfer market in that sense.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.124 - 09.07.2009 um
16:29
We are guided by the community, but not lead by it. We should encourage, but not demand,
communities to emerge further.
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i'm not sure if your are proud of not being lead by the comunity , or you are asking for a
more proactive comunity . Can you clarify a little bit this point ?
;-)
We see the community as our guides. You show us different things in this game which we may
not see (or at least haven't noticed yet), both good things as well as things which may be problem. That doesn't mean we do as you say, we are still the leaders for this game. In a way it's
saying that we listen a lot to what you have to say, but it doesn't mean we do exactly as you say - but it's a little more than that to it in our opinion.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.127 - 09.07.2009 um
16:38
Could I ask if you, as the HT-team, have certain visions about NT/U20 development too? I
don't want to know the contents of these plans (well, I do, of course :p), just some general vision like in the editorial...
This vision goes for NT teams as well, as it goes for everything we do in Hattrick. We
haven't spelled out any particular vision in that sense for NT teams or specification about how the future of national team will be like yet though.
Haben Sie auch Veränderungspläne für die Nationalmannschaften?
-> Ja, das haben wir für die Zukunft.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.274 - 10.07.2009 um
00:01
I know there are a lot of them, but could you please answer all questions?
Sorry, but it's actually not really possible even if I worked around the clock. Moreover, I
don't have the answers to each and every question at this point either. We have a pretty good idea on many things, but there are still many details we need to decide on on each area. Hence, it
would be wrong of me to answer on details. Please respect that.
I understand that you would like us to answer on more details on things, but as I said in the editorial - we will not. Not because we're grumpy or anything, just because such announcements should
if so then be made on MyHT space and at the time when we know exactly how something will work out. No one will be helped by any assumptions on details at this point.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.279 - 10.07.2009 um
00:07
What concerns me is that it appears you are going to add complexity by removing a lot of
"set and forget" idea like staff.
Perhaps you "set and forget" it because it's complex (as in, it's hard to actually see what
difference different choices make?)? Anways, I'm convinced many dead ends can be made a lot better without adding complexity (but sure, you have to re-learn something, but that's not really
complexity in my opinion).
HT-Tjecken 13086096.286 - 10.07.2009 um
00:17
I am wondering why the hell they are again 'purchasing' the traders. True, before it was
exaggerated and lot of people were complaining (with reason?) but since last changes concerning trading it was OK for almost everyone.
Traders are a big part of the TL and his ups and downs and make the HT-money rule. I am very surprised and disappointed
:-s
Hey, we're not nerfing trading as a way to success, nor are we nerfing any other way to
success. We just don't want Hattrick to be a game where the key to success is to pile up every possible way to success and use them to all to 100%. That way you actually don't have any choice to
make, and we want you to have just that - and that the options available should be balanced.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.287 - 10.07.2009 um
00:19
ethical reasons
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What do ethical reasons mean in a game? Games have clear sets of rules and because of this
there's no need for ethics.
---------------------------
Managers' ethical reasons (I know many Hattrick managers refuse to trade at all for ethical
reasons).
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I am one of them
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That's hilarious. I don't trade, but "ethical reasons"?
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People just don't seem to know what ethics really means and (ab)use it inflationary.
Yes, and so did I. Intentionally. But I think you got my point anyway.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.323 - 10.07.2009 um
10:38
1.) Managers have problems with the dinosaur-match engine. They (including me) told you
through the poll, but you seem not to get the message at all.
2.) Do you really believe that conditional substitutions have real tactical meaning except
red cards?
3.) How can a wining manager be happy, when he doesn't really know why he won? There's not
a way to 'debrief' of what happened in a match - especially after conditional orders!!
1.) A principle about improving the match engine is included in this editorial. Now, just
because the basics of it is old doesn't automatically mean it's bad, but we agree on that there are room for improvements in the basics of the ME.
2.) Yes,
absolutely.
3.) I agree that the match feedback can be better. As mentitoned in the principle of "keep it
simple" choices should be easy to understand, and as it's not that easy to understand why you lost today we have an obligation to make it easier to understand.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.324 - 10.07.2009 um
10:48
I must admit I have never seen a bingo card on a change thread.
I thought I was doing something very post-modern there.....
;-)
Hehe, you did (at least as far as I know, and I've been around so to say...). ;)
And while this was a new thing it's also relieving to see that some things remain the same.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.326 - 10.07.2009 um
11:08
Nice thing, but do you assure us that in the future ht will be possible for "normal" users
(the ones that do not like the trading) to reach the highests levels?
Depends on what you mean by "normal". As written in the principle about casual tempo it
should be possible to maintain your team by playing 30 minutes a week, but if you want to be successful you have to put more time into it. That said, time will not be the deciding factor if going
to reach the top or not - that deciding factor will be skill.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.332 - 10.07.2009 um
11:34
Will the feedback received from the forum be reflected in the next changes to occur? I
mean, are you taking note of what people are individually or collectively demanding, or is the bulk ready and it's a matter of adding details where there is no point of return? Are you writing
here to be helpful and explain, or just implicitly grabbing ideas?
Forum feedback is always taken into consideration and reflected in our development work, and
that will not change (that's also why there is a principle about this included in our vision).
When we now start working with the core we have to start from the beginning with how we want the game to be in the end, that's what the vision is for. It defines where we're going and how we will
do it. It helps us make every improvement breath Hattrick and makes every part of the game to fit together as a whole. So, to summarize you need to know where you're going (the vision!) before
you start to move and hence why we start our work with carving our principles into stone and inform you about it.
We've also defined which areas of the game we want to focus on, but it doesn't mean we have written all specifications (deciding on the details) about each area and we will not just sit down and
write them all at once either. We'll take them one by one, as things and details may be affected during the journey (by other improvements). What I'm saying is that forum feedback (whenever it
happens and whatever it is about) will always be appreciated by us and it will always affect our work even though the end decisions on things are always up to us.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.333 - 10.07.2009 um
11:46
Aren´t you sorry for all those guys, that spent many and many hours, days, weeks, provided
so much effort, by researching all those things, sorry for managers, that created own websites with guides for users, and with these upcoming changes you are going to throw all their work into
the recycle bin?
Hattrick has always been in continous development and many things in the game have changed
over the years. Yet no reserache or guide has been in vain, but we have never been able to promise them that a certain research or guide will be accurate forever. To be able to make such a
promise we have to stop developing Hattrick, and we don't think that's good for the game.
As mentioned in the editorial, Hattrick will not change over night but it evolves over time. That's always been the case and that's how it will be in the future too. And I actually think makers
of researches and guides respect that.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.336 - 10.07.2009 um
12:46
What I'm saying is that forum feedback (whenever it happens and whatever it is about) will
always be appreciated by us and it will always affect our work even though the end decisions on things are always up to us.
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Hmm, why do you want feedback then? Hattrick is a game for the users. Why not include them
some more in decisions regarding Hattricks future development?
Just because Hattrick is not a democracy and the users not being an decisive organ doesn't
mean feedback is not needed or good for the game. Quite the opposite, we're highly influenced by the feedback we get from forums and elsewhere.
But we don't believe in running the game development based on majority votes for example, it would be devastating for the game. Decisions about the game should be made on principles on what's
best for the game, and many users would rather vote for what's best for their team. Not to mention, many users lack knowledge (and vital information) about the game in order to make good
development decisions.
HT-Tjecken 13086096.422 - 12.07.2009 um
11:12
As written in the principle about casual tempo it should be possible to maintain your team
by playing 30 minutes a week, but if you want to be successful you have to put more time into it. That said, time will not be the deciding factor if going to reach the top or not - that deciding
factor will be skill.
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Should we interpret this so that you are actively trying to make the game to take a bit
more time if one wants to do well, for example by encouraging us even further to spend some hours trading or introducing other concepts that require on-line presence?
Nope.
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