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Laut HT-Josef (13015891.654) vom 08.07.2009 um 20.59Uhr wird bald eine Forumssuchfunktion integriert. Bisher haben die HTs sich immer gut damit gewehrt, dass es zu Ressourcenfressend sei. Einen genauen Termin hatte er aber leider nicht genannt, nur "Will come fairly soon" was auf Deutsch soviel bedeutet wie: "Wird ziemlich bald kommen".

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HT-Tjecken 13067488.6  - 03.07.2009 um 14:43

Is the second part of the youth package still coming?

 

Yes.

(You'll not find a word about it in the next editorial either, but there will be separate news about it soon)

 

Was ist mit dem zweiten Update für die Jugendakademie?

-> Ja, es soll noch immer kommen. Sie werden jedoch darüber kein Wort

     im nächsten Leitartikel finden, da darüber eine bald ein neuer

     Leitartikel kommen wird.

 

 

HT-Tjecken 13067488.9  - 03.07.2009 um 14:47

You mention changes to the core structure of the game, would this be as big as changing league (series) sizes, and possibly a new structure to the national cups? Or are you looking at smaller changes?

 

You will get some more answers next week, but one can say that nothing is holy. But we will definitely not change Hattrick over a night and all things will not change either.

 

-> Ihr werdet nächste Woche mehr Infos erhalten, jedoch werden wir

     Hattrick nicht über Nacht komplett ändern. Des weiteren werden

     wir nicht alles auf einmal ändern.

 

 

HT-Tjecken 13067488.11  - 03.07.2009 um 14:58

Just when we in the Dutch community were doing great work in unrevealling the remaining secrets of the match engine, you decide to make changes to it?

 

We're such a pain in the... ;)

Hattrick has always been a game in constant development and will always be such a game. I guess you'll have to accept that really. As mentioned, it doesn't mean the game will change overnight or that all things in the core game will change. But there are things which can be made better, especially as many things around the core game (especially teams development) has evolved a lot the last 10 years while the core in many ways has not.

 

 

HT-Tjecken 13067488.18  - 03.07.2009 um 15:09

So we could even expect something like a reswamp on the basic 4-4-2 lineup and such?

 

Not expecting anything, but not ruling anything out at the same time, is a good approach imho.

 

 

HT-Tjecken 13067488.42  - 03.07.2009 um 16:24

1.) used the responses from a biased survey to justify (at least for us) things to focus on

2.) Conclusions like "24% of the respondents want us to focus on the match simulation for example, and after that team management got the most votes followed by areas touching these (match feedback, transfer market and tactics)."

3.) Least wanted was community (1%) and site development (3%), perhaps not that strange considering those areas been in focus lately.

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Do you have some evidence on the causal relation? Instead of "we fixed those so people are now happy" it could also be because of "these things have always been of little importance for the managers".

 

I guess you're aware of quoting my little joke reference to the old REM song? But nevertheless:

1.) Please, it's not a justification. We don't work with the core game just because these survey results say most people would like us to. There is really nothing more into this than us wanting (and intending) to focus on the core game and that many users also would like that according to the survey results.

2.) That's not a conclusion. That's reporting the results from the survey, as I know there are people who are interested about that.

There is no absolute truth in survey results, as there are no right or wrong when it comes to opinions. But as mentioned in the editorial they provide valuable feedback as an addition to the feedback we recieve from the forums.

3.) The above figures is taken from the result from the question "what would you like us to focus on". From that question you can hardly come to the conclusion that people are happy about them, and we haven't either. But if you look at the results from other questions, you could say that most people are satisfied with the site overall. That said, site and community development is of lower importance than the challenge of the game for example (at least accordning to the 2006 survey) and that's most likely also a reason for the "low scores" this time.

 

 

HT-Tjecken 13067488.47  - 03.07.2009 um 16:35

Oh! About the ongoing Summer bug killing fest.

Will you remove the silly bug in substitutions, making the same pair of orders to be said to be incompatible or not depending on which we enter first? And the bug that claims that obviously compatible orders are not?

 

I certainly hope we get that one out of the flash interface (html interface is not affected).

 

 

HT-Johan 13067488.64  - 03.07.2009 um 18:42

One thing seems to have changed. Is HT gonna be run by survey results? Not they are to be ignored, off course, but doing something becouse is the majority's choice will turn into erratic development.

 

Just an answer to this specific question..

No, HT won't be run by survey results. Not survey results alone, and not even partly by survey result. It is quite difficult to create a survey that would give a fair view of what users actually want us to do. And even if we could, users are seldom the experts on neither game development or their own behaviour and needs as users. Don't misunderstand me - you often have great ideas, and excellent feedback, and it is crucial that we understand what make our users tick. But surveys are way to simplistic to be the basis for game development. i can however give us some quick feedback about general trends, and also allow us to compare sentiments over time.

What we've spend more time on this spring is to define what makes Hattrick great, and set down the principles that we believe are vital to making Hattrick what it is today, and vital to remember if we want to change Hattrick in the future. Principles such as keeping choices simple, but allowing effects to be deep, or to keep the pace of the game slow and allow users to strive for longterm targets.

More about this next week, in Tjeckens next editorial! 


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Vor einigen Tagen haben die HTs einen neuen Leitartikel veröffentlicht. Im Großen und Ganzen ist dieser künstlich in die Länge gezogen, und enthält kaum bis gar keine wirklichen Fakten.

 

Hattrick ist in der Tat schneller und stabiler geworden, zickt HT heutzutage rum, liegt es meistens nur an einzelnen Servern. Nach einem Neueinloggen hat man sein geliebtes Hattrick in der normalen Schnelligkeit wieder. Auch was die Stabilität angeht, ist HT deutlich besser aufgestellt als früher. Verzögerungen gibt es nur noch selten (z.B. bei der Spieleberechnung) und die Seite ist kaum noch nicht erreichbar. Wir als HT-Supporter erhalten einmal pro Monat eine Mail, wo uns die Zeit mitgeteilt wird, die HT nicht erreichbar war. Und das ist meistens nahezu 0%. Sicherlich ist dieses nicht nur den HT-Entwicklern zuzuschreiben, sondern auch der besseren Technik. Aber es nützt ja nicht die beste Technik, wenn man nicht weiß wie man sie bedienen muss ;-)

 

Interessant dürfte sein, dass über 500.000 User an der Umfrage teilgenommen haben, dass wären über 50% aller HT-User. Aber wer weiß, die Umfrage musste ja wegen eines Bugs zweimal gemacht werden, und vielleicht haben sie die Umfrageteilnehmer aus beiden Umfragen zusammengezählt *g* Über 80% der Umfrageteilnehmer sind im Großen und Ganzen zufrieden mit der Seite, was auch ein durchaus netter Wert ist.

Bei den Supportern wurden die neuen Supporterfunktionen zur beliebtesten Sache gekürt, einen großen Faktor darauf dürfte der neue Trikotdesigner haben.

 

Es wird in dem Artikel davon geschrieben, dass neben den Errungenschaften und dem Jugendinternat noch weitere Bereiche entbugt werden sollen, interessant wäre zu lesen, welche Bereiche dies wären. Dies verraten die HTs jedoch leider nicht.

 

Als nächstes wollen die HTs sich auf die Entwicklung des Kernspiels fokussieren, was sich schon mal gut anhört. Aus der Community werden immer mal wieder die Bereiche „Matchengine, Matchengine und der Zufall sowie der Pokalmodus“ gefordert. Was die HTs jedoch genau weiterentwickeln wollen, haben sie leider noch nicht verraten, dies soll nächste Woche in einem neuen Leitartikel erscheinen. Wie ein GM im Forum treffend sagte, 50% der Sachen die sie ankündigen werden, wird nie veröffentlicht, und von den anderen 50% wird die Hälfte verspätet erscheinen. Seien wir also gespannt darauf.

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HT-Josef 13015891.194  - 19.06.2009 um 13:48

What would you guys think about national-only forums? To be in the forum you would either need the right LeagueID or CountryID, alternatively you are an NT/U20 coach of that Country/League or a moderator. You could discuss NT/U20, run local polls and things like that.

 

-> Was denkt ihr über ein nationales Forum, wo nur Manager aus dem jeweiligen Land mitlesen und schreiben dürfen?

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.207  - 19.06.2009 um 14:36

What would you guys think about national-only forums? To be in the forum you would either need the right LeagueID or CountryID, alternatively you are an NT/U20 coach of that Country/League or a moderator. You could discuss NT/U20, run local polls and things like that.

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besides that i personnaly don't mind, just WHY?

 

People have expressed a need for NT/U20 forums and local polls, I figured why not kill two birds with one stone.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.209  - 19.06.2009 um 14:36

There are national minorities and expatriates. I live in Italy, but I'm ethnically Slovenian (I live very close to the border, in fact) and I work with the Slovenian NT staff. LeagueID and CountryID aren't sufficient: there's no real substitute for a NationalityID for users. :P

Also, there are elected foreign coaches too.

Bad idea IMHO.

 

I just mentioned that the U20/NT coaches would be an exception to the access limitations.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.210  - 19.06.2009 um 14:36

You're talking about the proposal on the National Coaches conference, right?

 

With a twist, yeah.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.212  - 19.06.2009 um 14:37

discuss about NT and U20 in little country is with a lot of people out other country, so for that this idea is not good.

 

People of other countries wouldn't be allowed.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.213  - 19.06.2009 um 14:38

I'd rather want a Bugs/Ideas-forum containing (beneath bugs and ideas) a complete changelog in a sticky.

Oh, and non-HT-Globals not only in english, but also in other multinational languages.

 

Yeah, HT-Oxidus suggested that when him and me were discussing how to improve the bug reporting system with HT-Johan. I really like that idea (but perhaps separate topics for separate features).

 

Ich würde es besser finden, einen Bug- und Ideen-Sticky einzuführen.

-> Ja, wir haben darüber intern geredet, um das Bug-Reporting-System zu

     verbessern. Ich mag diese Idee, aber wenn dann jeweils einen getrennten

     Sticky.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.215  - 19.06.2009 um 14:39

The only way is at least to make possible for the NT/U20 coach to invite foreigners. Not sure it is so easy and will work without problem

 

Or simply only allowing the NT/U20 of league X in forum X, regardless of their nationality (as I suggested). This is more meant for internal discussion, public information could go via the regular national forums.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.216  - 19.06.2009 um 14:40

This forum is really useless.

 

How so?

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.219  - 19.06.2009 um 14:42

discuss about NT and U20 in little country is with a lot of people out other country, so for that this idea is not good.

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People of other countries wouldn't be allowed.

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So this idea is not good for small country for discuss about NT/u20 because there are a lot of people of other countries.

 

I don't understand what you mean, the biggest benefits should be in the smaller countries where the outside interference is cut off.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.222  - 19.06.2009 um 14:43

besides that i personnaly don't mind, just WHY?

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People have expressed a need for NT/U20 forums and local polls, I figured why not kill two birds with one stone.

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former i ffigured out from the following posts. though why not use a fed. nonsupporters should become one if they wanna participate. i'd have no prob with that, because..

i have no interest in NT/U20 stuff. hence getting it out of national conference is fine with me. however polls are quite a different thing. what the point with them, we have official local polls already. so we talk about users starting polls?

 

Making it into a federation feature would require a lot more work, and for no apparent reason either. The implementation I have in mind is quick, simple and maintenance-free (except moderation, but we won't be getting away from that).

Anyone can participate on those polls right now, outsiders too.

EDIT: I'm talking about GM/MODs etc. of that region being able to run polls and gather data (sometimes to present to the HTs for re-organization etc), making sure that only the people concerned voted in the poll.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.226  - 19.06.2009 um 14:46

I don't understand what you mean, the biggest benefits should be in the smaller countries where the outside interference is cut off.

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You say it is a forum to discuss about local items, and to discuss about the u20/nt team. I am u20 coach from suriname but the most discusions about u20/nt is with people not from suriname and they ar not allowed to come in that forum.

 

You are misunderstanding me.

Take this scenario:
U20 coach of Sweden is from Norway
NT coach of Sweden is from Finland

The National-only forum of Sweden would be accessible by the Swedish users as well as the Norwegian U20 coach and the Finnish NT coach.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.228  - 19.06.2009 um 14:47

Anyone can participate on those polls right now, outsiders too.

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i see, and making participation countryid dependent is not an option i guess.

 

You could do that for polls too, but my suggested implementation is simple and solves a few issues at the same time. I just thought it was a pretty solution.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.229  - 19.06.2009 um 14:47

And is the objective then to open topics that would normally only started in forums of the national fed, in this new forum?

 

Yes, to replace external forums and national feds for instance. And for local GM/MODs to do polls they only want the locals to respond to.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.234  - 19.06.2009 um 14:54

might be for most. i'd live with it easily, but pretty would be for me if i could get rid of NT stuff and not subcribe to the new forum. but that's a single users opinon.

 

Membership is optional of course, just like with any other forum.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.236  - 19.06.2009 um 14:57

Mmm, and what about this problem:

I play against The Netherlands the U20-final, for example. The U20-coach of Netherlands is from Belgium, so he can read our conference. Is their than a possibility that I can "kick" him?

 

That's a very good point... Perhaps if you are coaching another country you shouldn't be allowed in your own.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.240  - 19.06.2009 um 15:01

It's impossible to replace national feds without allowing foreigners excepting U20 and NT coach (if they are) to be invited in this new kind of forums.
For example, I'm involved in Al Iraq U-20. We have a fed where we discuss about more secret things but the animation of the national forum is mostly due to the foreigners activity. And player scouts like me (even more the YA scout) sometimes uses the national forum to discuss with local users not HT-supporters. As this is a public forum, strategic discussions are problematic so the kind of forum you suggest would be useful BUT ONLY if foreigner staff members are allowed in.

 

But the setup of having people of other countries (except the regular U20/NT) help with the U20/NT of any specific country is probably pretty rare and can be discussed in federations like before?

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.243  - 19.06.2009 um 15:02

Yes, i understand.

But an assistent from the coach out Norway, who also is from Norway is not allowed?

 

No, he wouldn't be. Unless there is an official status in the game that indicates that he is assisting the U20/NT coach, but I don't think so?

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.248  - 19.06.2009 um 15:03

Hi,

Haven't read the whole thread. Is the public note ("lala") supposed to be sticky on top?

 

Yes. But you can close it if you want, and it will remain closed.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.250  - 19.06.2009 um 15:05

There are national minorities and expatriates. I live in Italy, but I'm ethnically Slovenian (I live very close to the border, in fact) and I work with the Slovenian NT staff. LeagueID and CountryID aren't sufficient: there's no real substitute for a NationalityID for users. :P

Also, there are elected foreign coaches too.

Bad idea IMHO.

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I just mentioned that the U20/NT coaches would be an exception to the access limitations.

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It's not just coaches, it's scouts too. It happens - more often than not - that a foreign coach has helpers. Should they not be allowed access to the forum where their work/help is needed and appreciated?

And the problem of expatriates/national minorities persists. I'm Slovenian, I play in Italy, why should I be (forcefully) excluded from the forum of my country, even if it's not the country I live in?

 

And you can't be an exception and have the GMs move you to the Slovenian league?

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.258  - 19.06.2009 um 15:23

I'm not interested to much in NT but how that thing should work? It would be like a fed? NT coach could give out and take back permissions to read a NT forum just to ensure that noone spies? If so then it should work fine. I see that Berthli really enjoys that idea, an he is in NT so much, he's the opposite to me ;]

 

Being it would have certain restricting criteria it would be like a fed in the aspect that you can only join it while you have the rights to be in it. On the other hand I don't think you should have to apply, you should simply be able to join. If you try to join a National-only forum you don't have access to you get rejected automatically. A low maintenance solution.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.259  - 19.06.2009 um 15:25

Membership is optional of course, just like with any other forum.

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i didn't doubt that, but i'd loose the polls if i didn't subscribe. thats why a pretty solution for ME would be to have the polls in national conference.

but, on a second though, MODs/GMS could link those polls in national conference/myHT and then i didn't need to subscribe and still could see/participate in the polls.

 

To vote in polls you need to subscribe. It wouldn't be strictly NT/U20 but strictly private discussions revolving around the league. The NT/U20 and local-only polls were two areas I saw it could come in handy, I'm sure there are more.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.260  - 19.06.2009 um 15:26

The problem Trainer M describes is that the small HT-countries are often lead by foreign teams and their foreign friends. So instead of keeping foreigners with bad intentions out, your are keeping the foreigners out who want to help the small HT-countries.

 

Okay, but it would only exist as an option to the solutions that they are using already, like external forums or federations. Using it doesn't have to be compulsory.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.261  - 19.06.2009 um 15:28

I live in Italy (although by only a few kilometers) and AFAIK there are no exceptions.
There are more cases that fall in the same basket as mine, though.

When I was vice-coach of U-20 South Africa (under an Italian coach), I have seen cases like users quitting their team due to moving out, moving in in another country (say South Africa->England) and then joining the discussion about South African national teams, just out of national pride.

In Italy, we also have a very dedicate user that closely follows both U-20 and NT Italy - he's an Italian Swiss.

It's a bad idea, believe me. I thought the HT community is about uniting, not dividing.

 

The discussions are already taken place in private forums, some of them federations (limited to supporters) and some in external sites (limited to those who know about them). People would be more united with this solution in comparison to what we have now.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.265  - 19.06.2009 um 15:34

And those things aren't so easilly accesible and bug-free as they were in the past.

 

1000-1002 will be presented as "1k".

You've got to be kidding me, you are saying we have more bugs now than in the past!?

 

-> 1000-1002 wird als “1k” angezeigt.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.269  - 19.06.2009 um 15:36

That's from now on? :D

 

Monday.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.282  - 19.06.2009 um 16:41

Uhhhh, that would be nice!! :D

Of course, you sholud be very carefull, as MODs and GMs would be able to enter any NT forum, so if they wanted to, they could easily get/see data they shouldn't...

 

Yes, they wouldn't be allowed to enter them for no reason. If they did it to spy they should be reprimanded or de-hatted IMO.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.283  - 19.06.2009 um 16:42

but don't forget to use the gained space ie set the width right

 

I already did, but that part hasn't been released yet. Some whitespace will still be there unfortunately, because we need extra space for people using scrollbars in the left menu.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.285  - 19.06.2009 um 16:47

While I do see the reasoning behind a whole new Nationals-only forum I do not think it is a good idea. Why?

1.Divide and kill
Dividing the activity of a community into even smaller parts is not a good idea, splitting the forum activity of the national conferences in two like proposed will leave a gap in the "open" conferences and can potentially lead to diminishing activity and interest in both forums. Following two forums is arguably harder than following one, we all have an order of which forums we check first. Dividing national HT-related forums in two will create a larger treshold for participating in discussion overall.

2. Shutting people out
Foreigners can in a lot of cases be able to help national teams other than their own and be interested in them. This is especially true for smaller nations where the user base is inexperienced. A bad national coach might only be spotted and criticised by a foreigner, and creating official closed forums for national team-talk will make this less likely.

3. Still secrecy
National coaches will have to keep about the same level of secrecy anyways. There is no way they can trust each and every one of the users playing in the same country just like that.


I know there are some national team-federations out there, but these seem to be used by people who are really interested in the national team, and the members can be closely monitored. I really cant see any reason why HT should offer another NT-forum lacking the features of a federation forum in that regard.

 

Compared to how it works today, none of the discussions that are supposed to take place in the National-only forums actually take place in the regular National forums (except perhaps the local-only polls, in which you can't trust the result entirely). They take place in either federations or external forums, something I wanted to change with this proposed suggestion.

Rather than shutting people out like federations (demanding supporter and fedslots) and external forums (demanding access and the knowledge of its existence), they will unite people.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.289  - 19.06.2009 um 17:02

i see. i always woundered actually why div.url was set smaller then needed.

#myForums[style*='overflow'] div.url{width: x px !important;}

is no option?

 

I'm not sure that syntax works in IE6?

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.293  - 19.06.2009 um 17:22

IE6 and scrollbars? there are none. i'd assume that either the selector *= is unknown and its ignored, or it is known and then ie6 users who activated the non working scrollbars, get the same unneeded whitespace there as now. but i guess there should be one ie6 browser at work to test it ;)

ps: ^= , ~= and even just #myForums[style] should also work (style is not set in html code without scrollbars)

 

Oh yeah, I forgot that the scrollbars aren't for IE6 :P

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.308  - 20.06.2009 um 01:21

Nobody wants to take that chance. And, you can't legislate trust.

 

Then the only option is external forums. I for instance have unlimited access in the forums, and I need it for bugfixing and such.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.311  - 20.06.2009 um 03:09

Hi Josef,
Thanks for all of your great work in the forum feature.
What I would like to know is, is there any chance that fed founders/Chief Officers could have a function that allows them to delete threads which have slipped into the archives.
I would find this most beneficial, and I believe that other Chief Officers would too.
Thank you,
KEL

 

I don't really think that's important. Besides, it's not even something the moderators can do.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.320  - 20.06.2009 um 23:38

Quote is about marking threads relvant for other.

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maybe if only users you support (or your supporters) can do that?

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Or even better, users that you have bookmarked?

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How do I know who has bookmarked me and therefore for who I can do that?

 

You don't right now. It could be a dropdown containing all users that bookmarked you, and a text saying "Recommend this forum to:" perhaps?

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.322  - 21.06.2009 um 00:18

is there anyway you could delete the threads in my forum please?
as a once off favour?

 

If I handed out favors to you I would have to hand it out to others as well, sorry :(

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.325  - 21.06.2009 um 00:29

Others aswell!!!
Does that mean that you believe that others would like this feature?

Please help me out mate... otherwise I will have to get over 300 people to move fed again... it's a pain :)
Would it take you a long time to make this feature?

 

If I handed out one-time favors that require manual labor to someone I would have to do it to other people as well, was what I meant. Not that it would have to be this favor in particular :P

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.327  - 21.06.2009 um 00:41

so, would it take alot of work to make this feature a reality?

 

No, but I have another 400 features that wouldn't really be a lot of work either. Together they would be though. My schedule is kind of packed right now, sorry.

 

 

HT-Josef 13015891.333  - 22.06.2009 um 17:31

Could we get a few more pixels inbetween the Refresh and Previous page icons in the left menu? I just browsed the archive for something, and misclicked the button about 10 out of 12 attempts. :(

 

Consider it done by next release to Stage.

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