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HT-Tjecken 13086096.5  - 09.07.2009 um 14:23

I was thinking the same thing. Making it so that a manager must either focus on training or trading is a MAJOR mistake imo.

I think you should read it as you will not be able to use both to 100%.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.18  - 09.07.2009 um 14:37

and why do you want it to be like that? Why does it make the game (experience) better?

In essence, this is a strategic game and as such it's good to have strategical choices. We rather want it to be an actual strategic choice instead of a matter how many strategies you're able to use at the same time (for time or even ethical reasons).

Putting some kind of limit to things also makes it possible to balance different strategies/ways against each other.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.19  - 09.07.2009 um 14:39

Aren't you afraid that it might cause a distortion in balance in the game forcing people to choose one over the other?

Afraid, no. But it's of course a challenge to balance things - but at the end of the day I'm confident we'll have a more balanced game.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.23  - 09.07.2009 um 14:43

Tjecken maybe you can be more accurate and tell what not be able to use both to 100% stands for?

You have to make a strategic choice of which strategy you want to use. To examplify the principle: you could perhaps choose to use one way to 100% (but then you can't use any other strategy) or choose to use two ways to 50%.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.25  - 09.07.2009 um 14:45

ethical reasons

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What do ethical reasons mean in a game? Games have clear sets of rules and because of this there's no need for ethics.

Managers' ethical reasons (I know many Hattrick managers refuse to trade at all for ethical reasons).

HT-Tjecken 13086096.30  - 09.07.2009 um 14:48

But when does the "project manager" guy explain us when changes come up, with a draft planning ?

From the editorial:

"So all changes related to this will not happen at once, they will be introduced gradually during the coming years. During this journey we will naturally keep you updated on how our plans may affect your manager plans, but we will not hand out all specific details about an improvement before the introduction."

HT-Tjecken 13086096.36  - 09.07.2009 um 14:51

That editorial was just brilliant. Utterly brilliant. Just hope you can live up to it. :)

Thanks. About living up to it I can at least say I don't think we've never been more motivated and excited than we are now.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.48  - 09.07.2009 um 14:56

To me it sounds like you have chosen to favour the users spending very little hours on HT and are limiting the ones who love to spend time with HT.

No, we haven't "favored" any type of player for another. Hattrick will definitely still have the same depth (we aim for more actually) for those who want to spend lots of time.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.53  - 09.07.2009 um 15:03

1.) When do we expect to have the new features in action, and when do we expect to have more information about them ?

2.) Is there any chance that things might change without us knowing?

1.) I can't say more than what's mentioned in the editorial really. Please accept that.

2.) If something affects managers long term plans, we will inform you (just like we did now that you will not be able to train and trade to 100% at the same time). But specific details about something will not be announced prior to the introduction.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.59  - 09.07.2009 um 15:06

I want to ask something about the ME. Will it be the same after changes?

It would be pretty hard (and unnecessary) to change something if it should be the same. ;p

But yes, having multiplayed players will be beneficial.

Wird was an der Match-Engine geändert?

-> Ja, Multiskill-Spieler werden davon profitieren.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.64  - 09.07.2009 um 15:09

Do you have any idea of solving cup problem? Do you consider cup qualification during unconventional days, utilization of match-free weekend before the first cup round or something else?

Lets just say we consider a lot of ideas. Nothing is set in stone yet.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.77  - 09.07.2009 um 15:21

Thanks for your answer but it does not meet my expectations :-)

Then your expectations are too high. ;p

I know you're curious, but we will not make the mistake of making promises which we later have to abandon for different reasons. From now on; when something is ready, then you'll be informed about it. You now know our principles, and the first changes (or information about) related to this work will most likely appear at some point during the autumn.

I hope that's something even if I guess it doesn't meet your expectations (as it's no guarantee).

-> Vorraussichtlich werden im herbst die ersten Änderungen bezüglich

     dieses Leitartikels erscheinen.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.87  - 09.07.2009 um 15:28

Worse, you want to delete some usefull tools, like training intensity. You maybe don't know, but a lot of managers use it to gain TS at the end of the season.

Fact is that the vast majority of managers set intensity once and then never touch it agains. It's true there is a "hidden tool" to gain TS lowering training intensity, but it's not intuitive. Then perhaps such a tool could be placed elsewhere instead, to make it both an easy and meaningful choice.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.104  - 09.07.2009 um 15:55

How fast paced will it continue - major changes every 2 seaons, faster/slower? Or is there no plan yet and you still have only "fix the match engine" written on top of the whiteboard? ;P

You mean that being on the whiteboard is not enough? ;p

We have an internal long term plan, but as mentioned - from now on when something is ready we'll inform about it. Not before. Naturally, things that affect manager strategies will be communicated (as it is in this editorial).

About the pace, as said in the editorial we will not change Hattrick overnight. I don't want to limit ourselves to "just one change every season" or so, it really depends on which changes we're talking about. There should not be ME changes every season for example, just as there will not be club management changes every season. There should be a good mix, and even if the pace may go up a little compared to last year for example (because we have many important things on the agenda, more than these last years when we've had another focus) I think many will not notice a that much of pace change at all.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.108  - 09.07.2009 um 15:57

And has there also been any thought on the timeframe for which you make a choice, in different words, can you alter your choice afterwards or is it fixed for HT-life.

You should be able to change your strategy choice. We don't want dead ends in the game, and making it fixed would make it pretty much a dead end.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.118  - 09.07.2009 um 16:09

Is that editorial about the news you wanted to give us last week or have you changed the theme of that editorial because the projects you initially wanted to speak were not really ready to be released yet ?

Nope, this is what I intended to write. This is our view on Hattrick, and even if I can understand that some of you would like more details out of curiosity (noting wrong with that) that was not the intention of this editorial. We intended to give you our view on Hattrick in the big picture and our principles for taking the game forwards, not a detailed plan. I actually also said that in last week's editorial.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.120  - 09.07.2009 um 16:18

Sorry I know that is reading an awful lot between the lines

Indeed reading an awful lot between the lines, actually to a degree which makes it unhealthy. :)

No, we have no plans to "control" the transfer market in that sense.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.124  - 09.07.2009 um 16:29

We are guided by the community, but not lead by it. We should encourage, but not demand, communities to emerge further.

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i'm not sure if your are proud of not being lead by the comunity , or you are asking for a more proactive comunity . Can you clarify a little bit this point ?

;-)

We see the community as our guides. You show us different things in this game which we may not see (or at least haven't noticed yet), both good things as well as things which may be problem. That doesn't mean we do as you say, we are still the leaders for this game. In a way it's saying that we listen a lot to what you have to say, but it doesn't mean we do exactly as you say - but it's a little more than that to it in our opinion.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.127  - 09.07.2009 um 16:38

Could I ask if you, as the HT-team, have certain visions about NT/U20 development too? I don't want to know the contents of these plans (well, I do, of course :p), just some general vision like in the editorial...

This vision goes for NT teams as well, as it goes for everything we do in Hattrick. We haven't spelled out any particular vision in that sense for NT teams or specification about how the future of national team will be like yet though.

Haben Sie auch Veränderungspläne für die Nationalmannschaften?

-> Ja, das haben wir für die Zukunft.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.274  - 10.07.2009 um 00:01

I know there are a lot of them, but could you please answer all questions?

Sorry, but it's actually not really possible even if I worked around the clock. Moreover, I don't have the answers to each and every question at this point either. We have a pretty good idea on many things, but there are still many details we need to decide on on each area. Hence, it would be wrong of me to answer on details. Please respect that.

I understand that you would like us to answer on more details on things, but as I said in the editorial - we will not. Not because we're grumpy or anything, just because such announcements should if so then be made on MyHT space and at the time when we know exactly how something will work out. No one will be helped by any assumptions on details at this point.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.279  - 10.07.2009 um 00:07

What concerns me is that it appears you are going to add complexity by removing a lot of "set and forget" idea like staff.

Perhaps you "set and forget" it because it's complex (as in, it's hard to actually see what difference different choices make?)? Anways, I'm convinced many dead ends can be made a lot better without adding complexity (but sure, you have to re-learn something, but that's not really complexity in my opinion).

HT-Tjecken 13086096.286  - 10.07.2009 um 00:17

I am wondering why the hell they are again 'purchasing' the traders. True, before it was exaggerated and lot of people were complaining (with reason?) but since last changes concerning trading it was OK for almost everyone.

Traders are a big part of the TL and his ups and downs and make the HT-money rule. I am very surprised and disappointed :-s

Hey, we're not nerfing trading as a way to success, nor are we nerfing any other way to success. We just don't want Hattrick to be a game where the key to success is to pile up every possible way to success and use them to all to 100%. That way you actually don't have any choice to make, and we want you to have just that - and that the options available should be balanced.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.287  - 10.07.2009 um 00:19

ethical reasons

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What do ethical reasons mean in a game? Games have clear sets of rules and because of this there's no need for ethics.

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Managers' ethical reasons (I know many Hattrick managers refuse to trade at all for ethical reasons).

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I am one of them

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That's hilarious. I don't trade, but "ethical reasons"?

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People just don't seem to know what ethics really means and (ab)use it inflationary.

Yes, and so did I. Intentionally. But I think you got my point anyway.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.323  - 10.07.2009 um 10:38

1.) Managers have problems with the dinosaur-match engine. They (including me) told you through the poll, but you seem not to get the message at all.

2.) Do you really believe that conditional substitutions have real tactical meaning except red cards?

3.) How can a wining manager be happy, when he doesn't really know why he won? There's not a way to 'debrief' of what happened in a match - especially after conditional orders!!

1.) A principle about improving the match engine is included in this editorial. Now, just because the basics of it is old doesn't automatically mean it's bad, but we agree on that there are room for improvements in the basics of the ME.

2.) Yes, absolutely.

3.) I agree that the match feedback can be better. As mentitoned in the principle of "keep it simple" choices should be easy to understand, and as it's not that easy to understand why you lost today we have an obligation to make it easier to understand.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.324  - 10.07.2009 um 10:48

I must admit I have never seen a bingo card on a change thread.

I thought I was doing something very post-modern there.....

;-)

Hehe, you did (at least as far as I know, and I've been around so to say...). ;)

And while this was a new thing it's also relieving to see that some things remain the same.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.326  - 10.07.2009 um 11:08

Nice thing, but do you assure us that in the future ht will be possible for "normal" users (the ones that do not like the trading) to reach the highests levels?

Depends on what you mean by "normal". As written in the principle about casual tempo it should be possible to maintain your team by playing 30 minutes a week, but if you want to be successful you have to put more time into it. That said, time will not be the deciding factor if going to reach the top or not - that deciding factor will be skill.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.332  - 10.07.2009 um 11:34

Will the feedback received from the forum be reflected in the next changes to occur? I mean, are you taking note of what people are individually or collectively demanding, or is the bulk ready and it's a matter of adding details where there is no point of return? Are you writing here to be helpful and explain, or just implicitly grabbing ideas?

Forum feedback is always taken into consideration and reflected in our development work, and that will not change (that's also why there is a principle about this included in our vision).

When we now start working with the core we have to start from the beginning with how we want the game to be in the end, that's what the vision is for. It defines where we're going and how we will do it. It helps us make every improvement breath Hattrick and makes every part of the game to fit together as a whole. So, to summarize you need to know where you're going (the vision!) before you start to move and hence why we start our work with carving our principles into stone and inform you about it.

We've also defined which areas of the game we want to focus on, but it doesn't mean we have written all specifications (deciding on the details) about each area and we will not just sit down and write them all at once either. We'll take them one by one, as things and details may be affected during the journey (by other improvements). What I'm saying is that forum feedback (whenever it happens and whatever it is about) will always be appreciated by us and it will always affect our work even though the end decisions on things are always up to us.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.333  - 10.07.2009 um 11:46

Aren´t you sorry for all those guys, that spent many and many hours, days, weeks, provided so much effort, by researching all those things, sorry for managers, that created own websites with guides for users, and with these upcoming changes you are going to throw all their work into the recycle bin?

Hattrick has always been in continous development and many things in the game have changed over the years. Yet no reserache or guide has been in vain, but we have never been able to promise them that a certain research or guide will be accurate forever. To be able to make such a promise we have to stop developing Hattrick, and we don't think that's good for the game.

As mentioned in the editorial, Hattrick will not change over night but it evolves over time. That's always been the case and that's how it will be in the future too. And I actually think makers of researches and guides respect that.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.336  - 10.07.2009 um 12:46

What I'm saying is that forum feedback (whenever it happens and whatever it is about) will always be appreciated by us and it will always affect our work even though the end decisions on things are always up to us.

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Hmm, why do you want feedback then? Hattrick is a game for the users. Why not include them some more in decisions regarding Hattricks future development?

Just because Hattrick is not a democracy and the users not being an decisive organ doesn't mean feedback is not needed or good for the game. Quite the opposite, we're highly influenced by the feedback we get from forums and elsewhere.

But we don't believe in running the game development based on majority votes for example, it would be devastating for the game. Decisions about the game should be made on principles on what's best for the game, and many users would rather vote for what's best for their team. Not to mention, many users lack knowledge (and vital information) about the game in order to make good development decisions.

HT-Tjecken 13086096.422  - 12.07.2009 um 11:12

As written in the principle about casual tempo it should be possible to maintain your team by playing 30 minutes a week, but if you want to be successful you have to put more time into it. That said, time will not be the deciding factor if going to reach the top or not - that deciding factor will be skill.

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Should we interpret this so that you are actively trying to make the game to take a bit more time if one wants to do well, for example by encouraging us even further to spend some hours trading or introducing other concepts that require on-line presence?

Nope. 


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HT-Josef hat hier eine interessante Statistik veröffentlicht, in der man sehen kann, wie viele Spieler eines gewissen Alters vorhanden sind. Der größte Anteil an Spielern ist bei den 27jährigen vorhanden. Der Älteste ist derzeit 91 Jahre alt. Der Abfall der 57 Jährigen im Verhältnis zu den 56 und 58 Jährigen ist auch interessant, auch wenn die Ursache unbekannt ist.

HT-Josef 13064330.1  - 02.07.2009 um 15:59

I just got some statistics on player age distribution in Hattrick, so I figured maybe you guys would be interested in knowing.

Age (Alter) - Number of players (Anzahl)
17 469723
18 1106144
19 1660210
20 1962210
21 2125962
22 2374668
23 2451845
24 2503826
25 2919761
26 3243573
27 3348015
28 3271389
29 3110881
30 2884612
31 2606168
32 2232585
33 1839387
34 1507726
35 1223265
36 965313
37 730272
38 534532
39 404283
40 329430
41 274111
42 227774
43 193488
44 172204
45 156937
46 149171
47 146045
48 143707
49 142436
50 142839
51 143943
52 144079
53 142334
54 137659
55 131679
56 121011
57 84000
58 110669
59 110004
60 81141
61 69316
62 59587
63 50511
64 40076
65 29284
66 22662
67 46396
68 36952
69 28379
70 21094
71 14507
72 9000
73 3957
74 1490
75 832
76 457
77 236
78 128
79 66
80 41
81 12
82 7
83 9
84 7
85 4
86 3
87 1
88 1
89 1
91 1

HT-Josef 13064330.33  - 02.07.2009 um 16:57

Bot teams and teams in hidden leagues excluded. (Unter anderem sind in dieser Auflistung BOT-Spieler entfernt)

Age (Alter) - Number of players (Anzahl)
17 466296
18 1052153
19 1477243
20 1564119
21 1501445
22 1514904
23 1410373
24 1299855
25 1433619
26 1496588
27 1456589
28 1330973
29 1187397
30 1017882
31 832688
32 651541
33 500483
34 376199
35 272261
36 192005
37 134667
38 99194
39 77460
40 64018
41 56266
42 50338
43 45688
44 41722
45 37837
46 35600
47 34434
48 33081
49 32790
50 32248
51 30984
52 30170
53 28692
54 27713
55 27613
56 26951
57 15181
58 24670
59 25146
60 16539
61 12006
62 9815
63 6991
64 4879
65 2960
66 2053
67 1625
68 1167
69 865
70 558
71 363
72 224
73 140
74 90
75 58
76 39
77 15
78 4
79 4
80 1
81 3
83 2
84 1
85 2
86 1
88 1
89 1 


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HT-Tjecken 13061081.33  - 03.07.2009 um 17:17

This was from my latest youth-game (26132137) :

Tactic was play creative, sounds like a longshot.


Sfersmin's Nout Einthoven had been told to try shooting from a distance, but no one saw that one coming. His 2 - 0 goal was a beauty, straight and long, and everyone congratulated him afterwards.

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YA still play with the old engine.

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Why?

We wanted to be sure that the latest changes in the normal engine really work as they should before adapting those changes for youth. There will be "one engine to rule them all" and you will be informed when that happens.

(Normally it should be the youth engine which we first test new things on, but as both engines were a bit out of sync already and because of some other circumstances it was better to put them in the normal engine first. See it as an exception though.)

Warum wird in der Jugendakademie noch mit der alten Engine gespielt?

-> Wir wollten sicher gehen, dass die jüngsten Veränderungen an der Engine

      auch funktionieren, bevor wir sie in die Jugendengine einfügen.

      Es wird bald eine Engine für beides geben, und sie werden dann

      Informiert, wenn es soweit ist.

      (Normalerweise sollte es auch die Jugendengine sein, wo wir zunächst

      neue Sachen an der Engine testen. Aber da beide Engines schon zu

      unsynchron liefen, haben wir es uns dazu entschieden, es nicht vorher

      in der Jugendakademie zu testen. Sehen es bitte als Ausnahme an.)

HT-Tjecken 13061081.35  - 03.07.2009 um 17:23

Long Shot SE has been supplanted by a spontaneous Long Shot event on the model of spontaneous CA.

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ah, that's interesting, do you know where you read this?

but nevertheless I don't think it explains the low frequency of this event...

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HT-Tjecken 13016113.1  - 17.06.2009 um 14:19

As you can see on MyHT space, a new HT Live with a Re-Live feature is now available for you. In our opinion the live experience has heavily increased with the new HT Live, and the perhaps biggest news is that you can get the live experience even if you can't be online at the time of the match. It's there, whenever you need it!

Best implementation ever! Promise! :)

HT-Tjecken 13016113.16  - 17.06.2009 um 14:30

Just one thing, I don't find (at first sight) the link to view the flash version of the HT live. Is it normal or do I have to buy new eyes ?

It is normal that you find it. It's not there anymore as it didn't make much sense anymore with this version (which also mean we only have to support one live from now on, which makes it a bit easier to work with).

Wo ist die Flash-Version hin?

-> Die wurde abgeschafft!

HT-Tjecken 13016113.18  - 17.06.2009 um 14:31

Thanks. I can't remove the old games from HT-live right now. Is that button coming up? :)

See the grey match tabs to the right, just click the little X in the tabs and the match will go away.

HT-Tjecken 13016113.29  - 17.06.2009 um 14:37

Very nice. But is it possible to add matches other than my own? For example, I would enjoy checking Japan`s NT matches this way :)

It will be possible, yes. Right now there's only links/icons on your own matches, but icons will appear on other match pages too (in a not that distant future I might actually dare to promise).

Ist es möglich, diese Re-Live Buttons auch zu fremden Spielen hinzuzufügen?

-> Ja, es wird in naher Zukunft geschehen.

HT-Tjecken 13016113.31  - 17.06.2009 um 14:38

Maybe it's filtered out somehow on my job computer, 'cause my price shelf is all empty too. I'll check again when I get home later.

Press F5 in order to update the webpage in your browser. Might do the trick...

HT-Tjecken 13016113.35  - 17.06.2009 um 14:40

Why you put this
You have 1 unseen match. Watch now! Close

on start page? Do you think that users are so stupid and dont know what when matches are?

The result of a match is shown on the match page, so this is a way for you to watch the match in Re-Live without getting the result spoiler on the match page (or any other page).

HT-Tjecken 13016113.43  - 17.06.2009 um 14:43

2. The match is in progress, 22 minutes of the second half have been played.
56:18
Confident in their lead, Conquista decided to play a more defensive game at this point

=> wouldn't it be a lot easier to use 1 way of showing the time?

The fine thing with having it this way is that you always know exactly when something happened. Without the timestamps you wouldn't know that.

HT-Tjecken 13016113.46  - 17.06.2009 um 14:45

Just one thing, I don't find (at first sight) the link to view the flash version of the HT live. Is it normal or do I have to buy new eyes ?

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It is normal that you find it. It's not there anymore as it didn't make much sense anymore with this version (which also mean we only have to support one live from now on, which makes it a bit easier to work with).

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So this is the end of the chat feature... ?

Even if it stopped working quickly after its implementation, I liked this feature. Hope that will come back....

And it's not unlikely that it will. :)

Das Ende der Chatfunktion in HT? Ich mochte sie sehr gerne.

-> Es ist nicht unwahrscheinlich, dass sie zurück kommt ;-)

HT-Tjecken 13016113.54  - 17.06.2009 um 14:59

What sense does HT Re-live make if the link is directly beneath the result? Cant u do it like with the "uncover" thingy in the youth academy? If u clicked uncover result it stays that way, but before u can watch re-live without risking ur eyes to slip and spoil the fun..

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I've thought exactly the same.
Or mayby it should be possible to chose in preferences page - cover or uncover results.

The first time you login after a match has been played you will be by a message on MyHT saying:

You have 1 unseen match. Watch now! (close)

Follow the link and HT Re-Live will start. If you don't want the see it in Re-Live (which probably some will not), just go to the matches page.

HT-Tjecken 13016113.62  - 17.06.2009 um 15:11

Do you think that the re-live will result in less sales of SMS credits as now people will be able to just log in whenever they want and look at their match in re-live mod and not having to see the result before seeing what happened throughout the game?

I don't know really, perhaps. But not making the best out of the live expierence just because we want to sell a lot of SMS sounds like a bad idea actually, and it would have a bitter taste. We rather hope to make the game and the game experience so fantastic that you would want to pay for it, and not "force" you to pay.

HT-Tjecken 13016113.63  - 17.06.2009 um 15:12

I even get a message about a unseen match while i already watched it today :p. Does Re-Live recognize that we already watched the game? Or does it have to be the whole 90 minutes? Cause i sometimes click away to forums etc. So: when does Re-Live mark a match as 'unseen'?

When the match is finished in Re-Live, or when you remove it from Re-Live.

HT-Tjecken 13016113.101  - 17.06.2009 um 17:16

1.) Why are the events coming from below to above?

2.) Why have you removed the red text?

1.) To reduce scrolling. Secondly, this is how most live real football live viewers work and it also follow the golden rule "most important information on top".

2.) Better highlightning is noted. Will see what can be done about it (I'm not so sure about red personally...). :)

And more Re-Live icons will probably also be added (as earlier mentioned in this thread)

Warum sind die Ereignisse von unten nach oben und nicht andersherum?

-> Um das scrollen zu reduzieren. Außerdem ist es auch bei echten

    Fußball-Viewern  so. Und das wichtigste,
     das Beste kommt immer nach ganz oben.

-> Bezüglich der roten Farbe werden wir sehen, was wir machen können.

HT-Daniel 13016113.193  - 18.06.2009 um 08:07

Just wanted to explain the difference with using overview and watching a single match.

The overview page is making a refresh every minute or when a goal, card or injury happen in any game. The single game view is doing a refresh in the correct second for any event, this is impossible do to in the overview page due to the server load this will generate when reloading all matches.

HT-Tjecken 13016113.198  - 18.06.2009 um 10:58

1.) Do you plan to reintroduce the funny saying/joke about the reporter during the delay time occuring after match start and match calculation ending (=the real ht-live beginning)?

2.) Did you ever took into consideration to show temporary more text than the final match report has? I mean the following: a team gets a chance, the ht-live text says: "team A has a chance on the left wing and player X shoots... " (without revealing the outcome). After ca. 30 seconds the full event text with result is shown in ht-live. This could add quite some excitement! Other examples: foul->card, foul->substitution and so on.

3.) What do you think about distributing events happening during the same minute (e.g. in 90') more evenly? E.g. 2 events = update ht-live every 30 seconds, 3 events = update every 20 seconds. Since in some cases quite a lot happens (e.g. 2 or 3 goals) things appear less suddenly this way.

1.) There is no such plans, even though I guess I shouldn't say it will never be reintroduced. But I rather would like us to make the match "start" (the HT Live beginning) on time than reintroducing the jokes about the reporter having trouble to find his seat etc.

2.) Yes, and we still consider something like that for the future. For now we settled with doing the best out of what we already have (match report wise), there is a lot more work included in having "another report" for live. But we agree, it would spice things up even more.

3.) I would actually like a cap on how many events that can happen in the same minute to get it more realistic in that sense, and we've talked a lot about this in the team too. Having many events in the same minute is a little experience killer really. There is also other things related to this that we could make that would improve the match/live experience even more, for example stoppage time and and making the event distribution less predictable (it's doesn't really add to the excitement knowing that all chances have happened when 30 minutes are left to play for example).

One thing related to this which will be fixed very soon is the event variation repeating itself. So, if the same event happens another variation of that event should be used the next time. We tested this in yesterday's friendlies and so far it seems to have done the trick. If everything goes well this little fix will go live for all matches from Monday on.

2.) Was wäre damit, wenn folgendes angezeigt wird:
     „Mannschaft A hat eine über rechts  Chance, Spieler Z zieht Volley aufs Tor nach      
     einer  Flanke“ und dann erst z.B. 30 Sekunden später wie die Chance endet?
-> Ja, so was ist schon sehr nett, und könnten wir uns irgendwann in weiterer Zukunft

     mal vorstellen.

3.) Passiert nicht z.B. in der 90 Minute ab und zu zuviel?

-> Ja, das Problem ist uns bewusst. Genauso, dass das Spiel ab und zu
     zu berechenbar ist, wenn z.B. nach 15 Minuten schon alle Chancen durch sind.
     Am besten wäre es eine Höchstanzahl einzubauen,
     die an Ereignissen pro Minute oder so vorkommen kann.

     Genauso das z.B. 30 Minuten lang gar nichts passieren kann.

     Wir haben gestern in den Friendlys was getestet, wonach immer andere

     Textbausteine verwendet werden, und es sah funktionsfähig aus.

     Vermutlich ab nächster Woche wird es dann für alle Spiele gelten.

HT-Stefan 13016113.200  - 18.06.2009 um 12:05

Is it possible to relive my U20 matches, without knowing the result beforehand?

Thank you:).

no, sorry.. not right now.

HT-Stefan 13016113.201  - 18.06.2009 um 12:10

Possibly it has been commented here before, but I can't clear my HT Live.

Each time I log in, the system tells me that there's a match to see - I delete it every time but it keeps on appearing every time.

Anyone else? What I'm doing wrong?

You need to watch the game in HT-Live or go to the match page to clear unseen matches from MyHT.

HT-Stefan 13016113.204  - 18.06.2009 um 12:17

How about a button to remove all matches from HT-Live??

Don't you think clicking 15 times on the X (which is really slow when used) is not the right answer?

Yes. We have that in the pipeline for the next HT Live patch.

Wie sieht es mit einem Button aus, um alle Spiele aus dem HT-Live zu löschen?

-> Ja, dieser Button wird mit dem nächsten Update erscheinen.

HT-Stefan 13016113.210  - 18.06.2009 um 15:31

Is it possible to relive my U20 matches, without knowing the result beforehand?

Thank you:).

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no, sorry.. not right now.

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Sorry if you already have replied on this but... Why not?

I know NT's dont 'care' but I want to know a good reason if you dont mind.

It will be there with the coming patch.

Warum erscheinen die Re-Live Button nicht für NT-Spiele?

-> Sie erscheinen mit dem nächsten Update.

HT-Stefan 13016113.212  - 18.06.2009 um 15:36

Thanks for the reply any ETA on that?

Probably during next week, but nothing is certain.

-> Irgendwann während der nächsten Woche kommt das Update, aber sicher ist es noch nicht.

Update 1: 19.06.2009 – 08.30Uhr

HT-Tjecken 13016113.226  - 18.06.2009 um 21:15

13:33
They were singing the praises of Óscar Antonio Ruiz 13 minutes into the match after his speculative chip from just outside the centre part of the opponent's penalty area found its way over the visitors keeper to make the score 1 - 0 for A-H.

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13:33 is the 14th minute right? from 13:00- 13:59

Are you going to edit this? Or is this something for LA's?

It's actually always been this way, it's only more "visible" now. It's the GE who makes this "mistake" and it's not that easily fixed (if so we would already). This also something we see us doing at some point, it's kind of included in the 1,2,3 answers I gave earlier today.

Eigentlich müsste doch die 14. Minute von 13.00 bis 13.59 gehen?

-> Ja, aber das ist nicht so leicht zu beheben, die Gameengine macht den Fehler.

HT-Tjecken 13016113.228  - 18.06.2009 um 21:21

One thing related to this which will be fixed very soon is the event variation repeating itself. So, if the same event happens another variation of that event should be used the next time. We tested this in yesterday's friendlies and so far it seems to have done the trick. If everything goes well this little fix will go live for all matches from Monday on.

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So, if I understood correctly there will be a ME change next week? What events will it affect?

All events. If a certain event variation has been used in a match, the ME will choose one of the other variations of that event if it happens again.

Was für Events sind davon betroffen? In Bezug auf die Änderungen der Wiederholung von Textbausteinen.

-> Alle Events.

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HT-Tjecken 13011366.133  - 17.06.2009 um 00:04

Why shouldn't they have changed more, e.g. decreasing the steepness of the possession-chance-curve?

We didn't. If we had changed it we naturally would have informed you about it.

(We haven't found any evidence what so ever for any bug in this part of the ME, which also the study in this thread (for example) speaks in favor of.)

@All: Fact is that the variance (a better word for random) factor in Hattrick has decreased over time, not increased (that said, not that much has happened on this area lately apart from the confidence change this season). You can naturally argue that variance is too big, but saying its effect is bigger today than a few seasons ago is simply not true. If anything, it's the other way round.

Threads like this has existed for as long as Hattrick has existed, this is not a new phenomenon. And each new thread on this topic will add some more fuel to the belief that there is a problem; it's a psychological phenomenon (it actually has a name which I've forgotten now...). The more you see of a certain thing (no matter how incorrect it is), the more you'll believe in it. After a while it may become the truth as "all these people can't be wrong". Another reason for this belief is also because teams are becoming better and better (and thus more levelled). When you lose a match against someone of evenly strenght is not as easy to understand why (especially if the scores aren't close), and then it's easy to just blame random even there in most cases are things you could've done which would have increased your chance of winning.

Let just finally say that there will always be variance in Hattrick. As a result, there will always be an amount of surprising results. But we have no intention to increase variance in Hattrick, that's for sure.

-> Nein, der Zufallsfaktor wurde nicht bezüglich der Gameengine erhöht.

HT-Tjecken 13011366.143  - 17.06.2009 um 00:32

Like attack sides being switched, not all CAs being reported, AOW being broken, TeamID affecting youth pulls, team confidence having a huge hidden effect, weather SEs being borked... Things like that? ;)

Hehe, I certainly don't say we've not experienced any bugs. :) But in those cases we've also seen real facts on that something really is wrong.

HT-Tjecken 13011366.200  - 17.06.2009 um 11:15

However, chance distribution is something that can, and should be improved, as it has the potential to completely throw all tactics and planning away. If you are expecting a 5-5 chance split, and the engine deals you a 10-0, the game is over before it even started.

Naturally it can be improved, but that's another issue than what this topic was about.

HT-Tjecken 13011366.218  - 17.06.2009 um 11:37

1.) What you're saying is that any claims of wrongful results are uncalled for.

2.) Problem or not - art in the eyes of he beholder. All those complainers see a problem, even though you consider it a non-ditto.

1.) Not at all. There will definitely be cases where you will be unlucky (or whatever you want to call it). But even in such matches you can in many cases find things (if you look) that you could've made differently which would have improved your chance of winning. For example, you can naturally feel you should've won a game where you had a 85% winning chance, but it still means that you will lose such a game once in a while and such a loss would be seen as unlucky. I just want to point out that maybe you in this case could've increased your chance of winning to 90% with another tactics - saving you a few "unlucky" losses.

2.) Oh, don't get me wrong - it's not that I don't see a problem here. We absolutely don't have a rule in the HT-team that says that the chance distribution (for example) must be exactly like it's always been. There is definitely room for improvement in my opinion. But that said, even if we will change it and reduce variance you will still see unlucky results - and as a result threads like this. That's what I say is rather a psychological phenomenon, aware of that I'm generalising a bit.

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